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      Default Re: The Ultimate Care Guide Comments - Open Thread!

      is a 40gallon breeder tank to big for a 20" baby col. boa

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      I have noticed that the care guide tells you to feed your snake in another enclosure. This raises questions because most people on the forum i have talked to feed in the cage, and many of them recommend it as being better. why the conflicting info?

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      Quote Originally Posted by MatRivera View Post
      the care guide is by far the best out there!...i think a new giude should be done for the bci morphs detailing all the morphs and how thier genetics work and breeding outcomes and so forth....

      paging mr. homsey...lol....mr ryan homsey you are needed at the front desk

      This would be absolutely awesome I know it would be alot of work but can you imagine how many less one type questions would be with what makes what and if I pair this with this.

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      Quote Originally Posted by rdtailboaowner View Post
      is a 40gallon breeder tank to big for a 20" baby col. boa
      Yes it would work as a good sized enclosure for a baby Col Boa.

      Although I suggest to not invest in a 20 Gal fish tank and all the extras any pet store might try to sell you.

      A shoe box size or sweater box size Rubbermaid , Sterilite or Iris type container would be far more
      efficient for keeping your new Boas temps and humidity within proper ranges.

      I suggest you invest in Rubbermaid , Sterilite or Iris container and then order yourself under tank Heater (UTH) and a good thermostat

      this would be far beetter for the Boa and you for that matter.

      Quote Originally Posted by tfronk68 View Post
      I have noticed that the care guide tells you to feed your snake in another enclosure. This raises questions because most people on the forum i have talked to feed in the cage, and many of them recommend it as being better. why the conflicting info?

      Yes there are several things within the care guides me Steve ( Atrayu) , Jeff and Clay have talked about adjusting to
      fit within the standards that now exist within our hobby.

      The one other issue I know of is the Care Guide suggests lowering humidity for a Respiratory Infection.

      It is now common knowledge and suggested procedure by Exotics Vets to raise humidity for R.I. in Boas.


      So we've talked about updating these few little details and will eventually get to and address these details.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tfronk68 View Post
      I have noticed that the care guide tells you to feed your snake in another enclosure. This raises questions because most people on the forum i have talked to feed in the cage, and many of them recommend it as being better. why the conflicting info?
      I always have and always will feed in a feed box. My main reason is it gets the snake used to eating in the feed box and not the cage. So any time you open his cage or stick your hand and arm in to do some spot cleaning or changing you dont get a feeding response. This is especially good for me as I have children in the house. My cages stay locked. But with children, anything can and WILL HAPPEN and this decreases any risk that the snake will bite my child if something were to happen. Now as far as being in his feedbox goes HE IS DYNAMITE, lol.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JaredLeeNewton View Post
      I always have and always will feed in a feed box. My main reason is it gets the snake used to eating in the feed box and not the cage. So any time you open his cage or stick your hand and arm in to do some spot cleaning or changing you dont get a feeding response. This is especially good for me as I have children in the house. My cages stay locked. But with children, anything can and WILL HAPPEN and this decreases any risk that the snake will bite my child if something were to happen. Now as far as being in his feedbox goes HE IS DYNAMITE, lol.
      Snakes don't get "used" to being fed in a separate enclosure. Each time you move your snake from a feeding enclosure is basically a game of Russian Roulette with potential penalties that could include a bite, a regurgitation, etc. As your snake increases in size, so does the risk of injury from a bite.

      Try hook training your snake. It is much more safe and allows your snake to be fed in it's enclosure, thereby reducing any harm to you or your animal.

      Hook training has been explained numerous times here on RTB and should be easily found by the search function.

      The best way to protect your children is to continuously educate them on safe handling and responsibility.

      If you are curious, I too have children - seven of them. I would not risk harm to any of them, as I am a very protective father. My three oldest (12, 13, and 15 years old) are responsible for the majority of daily spot checks and cage cleaning. I feed all of my animals in their enclosures and none of my children have been bitten.

      I wish you luck with whatever method you ultimately decide to use, but remember - education is key.
      "An increase in reptile education can lead to a decrease in reptile discrimination." - Bebo


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      Default Re: The Ultimate Care Guide Comments - Open Thread!

      I believe I know my own snake better than you sir, yes he is used to being fed in his box

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      Quote Originally Posted by JaredLeeNewton View Post
      I believe I know my own snake better than you sir, yes he is used to being fed in his box
      Lol, what you do know is that you take your snake out, put it in a box to feed it and then put it back...that is all. Your snake is not "used to" anything. It just accepts that you move it. One day it will not accept it and either bite you or worst case regurge.... IF your snake regurges from the stress from moving it, you will be singing a different tune

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      "education is key" I double that statement there! do some research some people have actually found that in cage feeding makes the animal less aggressive, when it comes out it thinks it's gettin fed...

      I know I have had a female for 8 years now that has ALWAYS been fed in her cage and is the sweetest snake ever.. and she is only pulled out a few times here and there she is calm as could be then I have another female that's 5 years old I've had since a baby that I tried doing the whole feeding outside the cage with, you can't even stick your hand in her tub she is really bad and I handled her more too...

      like said above education is key


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      That particular piece of advice is antiquated and we're in the process of getting it removed from the care guide. It has proven to be an "old wive's tale" by those with FAR more experience than any of us here (even when combined). That's what I like to call "pet store advice", and fits right in with other common misconceptions like "feed your boa when it 'looks hungry'", or "screen top fish tanks make great boa cages" and "sure you can keep multiple snakes together" and "feeding live is best because that's how they do it in the wild" or "snakes won't grow big if you keep them in a small cage"... I could go on an on.... The point is, over time we learn more and more about snakes, and the advice you're adhering to is one of those things that people USED to believe. It has since been disproven and now we're left with trying to undo what was once so deeply ingrained in people's minds. It's a pain. Lol.

      All that to say, there's a lot of bad/old advice running around out there. Part of being a good/growing keeper means constantly re-examining your own methods and allowing for changes when the need arises or when better knowledge is found.

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      Chris, I 100% agree with you on that! there is so many old things going around that aren't exactly good for your boas. if people fed boas when "they look hungry" they would be all be HUGE, mine always "look" hungry. lol


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      Quote Originally Posted by chasebaker5 View Post
      ... if people fed boas when "they look hungry" they would be all be HUGE, mine always "look" hungry. lol


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      very inforamative

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      look, like ive said before and have heard before, there are many different ways in keeping your animals. Your practices might not work as well for another person, i think the biggest thing is to keep consistency on what you do in all aspects of snake keeping, no matter feeding, humidity temp handling procedures or whatever. Like with me when i feed i use a rubbermaid feed box, thats just how ive done it and how i always will, and that may not work for the next person, but what ever it is that you do, keep it consistent dont constantly change habits. The chance of being bitten will always be there no matter what you do, if you handle your snake there is a chance you will be bitten, dont let that make you skidish because if it does you should not own a snake, if your nervous chances are your going to make your animal nervous also. So do what works for you.
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      i just joined here a few minutes ago and finished the download of this ultimate care guide!
      this will be really helpfull for a new boa keeper like me!
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      Thanks so much for the Ultimate Care Guide!! I just joined and read it and it's great!! It gave me a good starting point to plan for my future boa!

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      Just read this what a great informative read.
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      Thank You for all the great information it will help me tremendously.
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      This is a great forum. Don't hesitate to ask any other questions that you may have.

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      Hello, this may or may not be a decent suggestion for a care guide but I'll see what people think. As a newer boa keeper, I've been a pretty fast learner and have researched for over a year and read about all there is to read, but one thing I see lacking in a lot of the books and chat in general is how to react to a bite or even worse in a bite/constriction situation. I know this scenario is rare in boas, but when you see it, the result is usually fatal for the snake. If say a child, pet or smaller adult makes a huge mistake and ends up with a large boa around their neck that has gone into a feeding mode what is the best way to safely remove it?

      Obviously if it comes down to life and death of a human the answer is pretty clear, but I think people should have a plan just in case.

      I have heard alcohol in the snake's mouth causes an almost instant reaction that leads to a release and I've read that unwrapping tail first is the proper way to start removing a snake.

      I don't keep larger pythons, but if I did, I'd be certain a family member would know how to help me if there was trouble. My boa is a male, and I'm quite certain I will not have a problem but does anybody think it's a good idea to have a "Safety section" in the care guide?

      It may put parents of younger keepers at ease, or spouses that are not particularly fond of snakes in a more comfortable state of mind.

      I know some of the answers to these questions, but there are VERY experienced boa people here that could add a great deal to this. I'm sure there are parents that would love to see something like this.

      Just thinking out loud and if it's not a good idea that's OK too.

     

     

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