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      Default Why wont you breed!

      Hey everyone, so I have 2 pairs going, 2 special projects and that's it this season.. only problem is, I've been pairing them since early September and so far, nothing.

      While I paired beginning of Sept, I started gradually lowering temps from 82-83f ambient & cool side, down to where it is now at about 74-75f.
      Hot side has remained at 90F
      Been misting every other day lightly

      I only take the males out every now and then to feed the females, give them a brief rest and then I pair again. Food intake/offers are much lower now but I didn't want to eliminate food completely.


      It's frustrating because I see so many posts on FB where people are having instant courting upon introduction on the male and everything.... not sure what I am doing wrong. I even tried putting the leopard male into the other breeding group enclosure to see if that would get both males more motivated even when the leopard was pulled... no luck.


      Thoughts, advice? What can I do? these are 2 very special projects to me and it's basically my first season so any help would be extremely appreciated.

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      Default Re: Why wont you breed!

      A few questions...how old are they? How big are they? Are you SURE they were sexed correctly? What size cages are they sharing? (they may be more stressed
      than aroused) Maybe beginning of Sept. was just too early? Maybe they both have a headache...?

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      Default Re: Why wont you breed!

      First pair: Both were born May 3rd 2013, male is about 5 foot and roughly 8 pounds, female is 6 - 6.5 foot and 15 to 20 pounds
      Second pair: Female born Feb 20th 2013 weighs about 18 pounds length is 6 - 6.5 foot, male born June 24th 2012 weighs about 7 pounds and is about 4.5 foot long

      Enclosures are 4x2x16'' PVC

      I think beginning of September was early but, now that everyone has boas courting, and mine a paired, it can't be too early anymore right? lol

      It's so frustrating

      PS- I gave approximates for weight/length because I don't want to disturb them so much by physically weighing them and everything

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      Default Re: Why wont you breed!

      I agree with Noelle, those questions would help.

      I usually leave them alone - I mean completely alone. Just for a while but I've never had a male not want to do the deed or a female that did not accept the male. Do they have hides in the cages? Sometimes one of them will hide on the other one, if they don't have anywhere to hide, they might cuddle up together and twist tails!

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      Default Re: Why wont you breed!

      Posted the answer to the question I think same time you posted

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      -They have no hides in the breeding enclosures
      -All animals probed and determined to be male, female or whatever they were sold as

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      Default Re: Why wont you breed!

      First off, your info is fine, "close enough", & second, I've bred many snakes but not boa constrictors, I do hang out here a lot but happy to defer to those who DO breed
      these...but who knows how long it may take for them to answer? So for now:

      My guess from what you've said is that they are just too young. I seem to recall a breeder recently saying they do not try to breed them until they are 6-8 years old?*
      Even though technically their size may seem ok, in boa terms they are still "teenagers"...still developing & best results come from waiting. And if they aren't interested,
      that should tell you something...personally, I would listen to them. (*especially the females, whose body does all the real work)

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      Default Re: Why wont you breed!

      Those are good points except all the pairings I've seen recently are very very young males like 18 months males and females that are 3 years. Those are typical starting ages for breeding. Mine are much older and at least 2 of the boas in this years pairings are proven breeders in the past with previous owners

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      Haha yes, I just now saw your post, sorry!

      They do seem to be of good breeding age. Do you ever catch them coiled up together? I didn't think one of my pairs would breed until I walked into the room and happened to look into the cage and caught them right in the middle of it! Super exciting.

      As I recall.... That pair did not seem to like each other until I taped some dark construction paper to the plexi to make it a bit more private... I never caught them together until I caught them TOGETHER lol
      Don't lose hope! She might just make him really earn her!

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      Default Re: Why wont you breed!

      I do regular check ins, and have found both pairs coiled up together from time to time. So maybe it's just the females playing hard to get lol. I also noticed that when I pair them, they spray urates everywhere.. like one enclosure looks like one of them smeared it on the back wall a few inches up. Is that a good sign? releasing pheromones or something?

      I generally leave them right alone, but may cover the plexi with something as you did, for extra privacy

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      That's a good sign that they coil together. I'm unsure of the urates, I can't recall if mine ever did - if they did I did not notice at all.

      You should be good to go, some take longer some right away.
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      Default Re: Why wont you breed!

      Awesome, and yeah the urates thing is a mystery to me too. The boas that are on their own don't do that. They only urate once in a blue moon or when they poop. So, who knows.

      Anyways I'll keep doing what I'm doing, if nothing soon I am going to add one of the males to the other breeding group and try to spur them into the mood
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      Default Re: Why wont you breed!

      Hi space lizard, when I had my two in together last year something similar was up the back of her viv, I thought it was strange too I had taken a picture and you can clearly see it at the back


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      That's interesting Richy, did they end up producing?
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      They sure did, motley was 3 but took him a while to get going, but she had ovulated by ending November and had her pos,it was a right bugger to get off as well


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      Quote Originally Posted by bcasilio View Post
      That's a good sign that they coil together....
      I'd agree (& I'm also not sure about the urates but it makes sense to me). I've not bred any large boas, but when I used to breed my rosy boas, I left them together
      (most of the time, etc) for a couple months in winter. I'd often see them snuggled together, but never once saw any actual breeding...however, they reproduced like
      crazy, every summer lots of live healthy rosies. I suspect they prefer the dark of night, & when we're not gawking at them, lol.
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      Well Iím putting my two adults together tonight the male finished shedding last night ,I will see if it happens again , fingers crossed they hook up again


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      Good luck! Play some Marvin Gaye, light some candles, set the mood!

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      Hi spacelizard ,any luck in your pairing yet ,hope so


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      Default Re: Why wont you breed!

      So heres a huge update lol;

      I caught the male and female locked up Nov 10th. I presume they were breeding stealthy and had been going at it before and maybe a while after.

      Heres where it gets crazy... The female went into shed cycle immediately and left blue around the same time that another female named Nibiru, also paired with a male, had her POS Dec 14th. Thing is I found Nibirus shed but not the Coral Sunglow Motleys.

      So either I missed it somehow while cleaning or she just left blue around dec 14th and didnt shed. Weird.

      Ok so fast forward to now, 3 days ago she had a very small and wet stool and I cleaned it up thinking nothing of it. Then today I went in and she was constricting her muscles above her vent and was pushing something out. She had already let out this realllllllly wet, slimy urate pool. So I watched her push this thing out, really weird looking poop, over 25 mins or so.

      Ever since that first little poop 3 days ago and now that, she has been pacing like crazy and is very restless.

      Only issue with all this? From what I could tell, she should ve due between March 29th and April 18th (assuming POS dec 14th)

      However, both pairs were together from very early Sept to Early Jan. So she couldve ovulated and been bred much sooner, maybe late Sept if he was really quick or late Oct, shed which was the real POS and I thought nothing of it because shes already big, then as she got bigger she shed again, missed it and thought that was the POS.

      That would put her due date around now I think. That make sense?

      Basically, I have no bloody clue with this female and shes acting like shes gonna drop any second but I dunno lol

      What does everyone think?
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      Looks like you could be in
      Luck then, have they shed since that original one then ,as mine didnít shed the whole time she was gravid,some first ovulations are not always that obvious and could be a small litter,the last month
      Mine constantly cooked under the ceramic
      fingers crossed then space lizard
      P.s nice to see you back on here and keep us posted


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