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      Default Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      Hi, I have been hearing about the so called &quot;Sunset&quot; hogg island boa&#039;s. I have been trying to find a picture of one and having no luck at finding a picture or discription. Does anyone know what a sunset hogg island boa is and where can I find one?
      I&#039;m getting a SuperSalmon X Hogg Island baby and I have seen his pictures. He&#039;s out of this world! Once I get him in, I will post a picture of him up, but for now, I&#039;m wanting to know more about the &quot;sunset&quot; hogg island.
      Any help will be great.

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      Default Re:Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      Here is a fine example of a sunset boa. Hogboa owns this sunset and posted the pictures over at the boa think tank (http://www.theboaforum.com/cgi-bin/y...3006411;start=).




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      Default Re:Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      :: GASPS :: That is a drop dead awesome snake!!! Holy Moly, how do they get these snakes? And are they considered pure hoggs?

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      Default Re:Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      I like the regular Hoggs best. **Sorry**

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      Default Re:Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      TC,
      I agree! But crossing these animals makes very neat looking snakes. But I don&#039;t think I will breed him though. I normally don&#039;t believe in crossing animals.
      This male is very neat looking...

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      Default Re:Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      [quote author=~TC~ link=board=4;threadid=9203;start=msg79153#msg79153 date=1095991382]
      I like the regular Hoggs best. **Sorry**
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      I think thats a hard comparison to make accurately. I think sunsets are a completely different animal in many respects. Its sort of like &quot;I like BCI better than BCC&quot;.

      I personally think looks-wise sunsets blow regular hogs away. It is for that reason that sunsets demand $2000 + Prices and hogs demand $200+ prices .

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      I would have to ago with a few people about the cross breeding, but sometimes crossing breeding can lead to very nice looking and impoved genes. Like the sunsets (I think) can also change colors due to that it&#039;s a Hog Island Boa.
      Are Hog Island Boa&#039;s already a Hypo?

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      Default Re:Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      Yes hogg island boa constrictors are naturally hypomelanistic.



      Remember &quot;Hypo&quot; means LOW, in this case low melanin or low/reduced black.




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      Default Re:Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      Wow, your a lucky man Clay I put one of my female Hog Pictures up on the photo contest gallery She&#039;s been gone for three years though. Ever since then, I have been afraid to have a boa again. But my other half came home one day on my 22 b-day, he gave me a 6 foot male BCI...lol. I was pretty upset, but now I want to breed boas, and next year will be my first year....

      Thanks again Clay That is a very nice looking Hog in that picture.

      This picture is my reduced female that pasted away three years ago...she would have been six years old to this day

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      Default Re:Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      Hogs are naturally hypomelanistic but are they compatable with colombian hypos in that crossing a Colombian Hypo to a Hog Island will produce dominant hypos? I am almost certain they are not geneticly compatable in that manner. Its easy to confuse that thinking along the lines of &quot;well a hypo to a hypo should make dominant hypos regardless of their locality&quot;. Im 99% sure it doesnt work that way.

      Think of hogs as a different strain of natural hypo. All hogs are hypos, unlike colombians. I imagine colombian hypos could be considered &quot;natural&quot; hypos as well. By natural I mean &quot;made by nature&quot;... Colombian hypos were not developed through selective breeding like that of pastels for example (both are defined by reduction in black).

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      Default Re:Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      Nef,
      I would have to agree with that. Natural hypos will be just for that line (hogs).

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      Default Re:Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      I see what you are saying Nef, but I think that may confuse us.. especially ME LOL Of course that is not hard to do.

      Let me say it this way and see if it makes better sense.

      The Colombian Boa constrictor has a &quot;natural&quot; or native state. It is not hypomelanistic. Specific breedings or an occurance in the wild, produced the hypomelanistic trait from normal or natural Colombian. This trait proved to be a dominate morph.

      The Hogg Island boa constrictor&#039;s natural or native state IS hypomelanistic. There is not another state of the hogg island boa that is not a naturally occuring hypomelanistic.

      Hence the difference. I agree that breeding a hypo to a hogg does not produce all super hypo hoggs. But a percentage will show both traits, or at least lead to offspring that can produce both traits.

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      Yeah I think thats a better way to look at it: Hogs native state being hypomelanistic. Colombians native state being not hypomelanistic.

      I sort of tend to think of &quot;natural&quot; occuring morphs as morphs that appeared in the wild as a &quot;freak of nature&quot;. Colombian albinos, hypos, motleys .. etc.. fall into that catagory. I also think of natural morphs that arent &quot;freaks&quot; within their locale &quot;natural&quot; morphs as well (obviously). You are right though, generally when people say hogs are naturally occuring hypo they mean &quot;hypo is their native state derived naturally&quot;. &quot;Unnatural&quot; morphs, to me, would be like that of pastels that were derived through selective breeding. I had a big discussion about this in another forum in which some people went as far as to argue the point that because a morph was not derived through natural causes it should not be a morph at all! (of course thats totally false IMO, one cannot alter the defenition of morph as they see fit).

      I agree that breeding a hypo to a hogg does not produce all super hypo hoggs. But a percentage will show both traits, or at least lead to offspring that can produce both traits.
      Defenitly... about 50% will show both traits (ie &quot;colombian hypo&quot; hogs). I dont think any supers would be produced because of the incompatability of hypo forms. If they were somehow compatable the whole litter would be &quot;colombian hypo&quot; hogs. And half of those would be supers.

      I think thats where the confusion came in with this animal. Im guessing the seller may have believed that the hog form of hypo and the colombian form of hypo is compatable. If that were so theyd be what SSreptiles originally thought they were, possible &quot;Super colombian hypo&quot; hogs. But they are actually not possible supers, they are codominant &quot;colombian hypo&quot; hogs. Codominant describing the colombian hypo gene... not the hog hypo gene.

      Just to further explain to those wondering:

      Breeding a Salmon x Hog will get you all 50% hog / 50% colombian locale crosses. 50% of the litter would get the colombian related reduction in black (hypomelanism). The other 50% would just be regular hog/colombian crosses, looking like what you would produce from a normal colombian to hog breeding.

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      Default Re:Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      LoL!!! I think I shouldn&#039;t get this snake...lol. All I can say is that this male is being sold to me as a SuperSalmonXHog Island Boa. His parents made F1&#039;s. But if you breed another F1 to a F1 also, you would make F2&#039;s which makes het for sunset Hogs. Is this right?
      And what happends if you breed a sunset to a Sunset?

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      Default Re:Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      SuperSalmon x Hog Island Boa =100% F1 &quot;Colombian hypo&quot; Hogs.

      Now if it had been a Salmon x Hog Island Boa he would have gotten 50% Colombian/Hog crosses (regulars) and 50% Hypo Colombian / Hog crosses (hypos). But becuase one of the parents was a super (dominant) hypo, all the animals got that gene. Hence a litter of all &quot;colombian hypo&quot; hogs.

      And yes breeding a &quot;Colombian hypo&quot; hog to a &quot;Colombian hypo&quot; hog will get you a litter of all F2 &quot;Colombian hypo&quot; hogs. Half of those animals would be &quot;Super Colombian hypo&quot; hogs.

      Breeding any of the f2 animals together will get you f3 hypo hogs, or sunsets. Now I am not sure if sunsets are only dominant. If one of the F2 animals happened to be a &quot;super colombian hypo&quot; hog then all the animals would be supers. If both the F2 animals were just &quot;Colombian hypo&quot; hogs then only half the litter woulf be F3 supers. Im not sure if the other half would be considered sunsets as well. I need to find that out for sure. But as of now I dont think it matters. I think any F3 &quot;Colombian Hypo&quot; hogs are sunsets.

      Sunset to Sunset should make all sunsets taking them to the next level. I dont think this has been done yet.

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      Default Re:Sunset Hogg Island Boas?

      I wonder what that would look like with a sunset to a sunset. I wonder if that will take another step into another morph. That would be very neat looking.

     

     

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