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    Thread: Those Darn Jungles (Identifying Jungles)

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      Default Those Darn Jungles (Identifying Jungles)

      I know a few threads about Jungles exist, but I wrote this up recently and made some graphics to illustrate the primary factoids about Jungles to try and make things easier for people.

      When Lars Brandle of Sweden put a zig-zagged patterned boa he had purchased from a zoo to a normal appearing Colombian, he created a litter that was split between normal appearing boas and more zig-zag boas which would eventually be named Jungles. He then bred one of the Jungle offspring back to the zig-zag patterned parent and produced stunningly unique offspring from them that would eventually be recognized as Super Jungles. In doing these breedings, Lars managed to create and help propagate one of the most widely known boa constrictor morphs in the trade today. However, he also managed to create a morph that gives the largest amounts of headaches on a consistent basis due to people often being confused about what exactly defines a Jungle as a Jungle.

      The Jungle Mutation in Boa Constrictors has two components; color and pattern and it is an incomplete dominant trait. An incomplete dominant trait, in the simplest of terms (emphasizing simplest for those who are really rabid about more complex explanations), is a trait that, by itself, is incomplete and so the incomplete form of it is technically visually heterozygous for the complete trait (this means they visually show that they can create the Super Jungle mutation). This means that what we call Jungles are actually Het. Jungles and taking two Het. Jungles and pairing them together creates the actual Jungle. However, for sake of ease and lack of confusion, the incomplete form is called Jungle and the complete form is called Super Jungle. The Super Jungle results because you are basically combining two halves of the same incomplete dominant trait together to make it complete. What results is a complete trait that will produce only incomplete dominant versions of itself no matter what it is bred to (of course more supers would result if you paired it with yet another Jungle and all Super Jungles would result if you bred it to another Super Jungle).

      There are five to seven primary indicators that have been recognized in Jungles (depending on who you talk to):

      - Missing/Floating Saddle Points
      - Aberrant Pattern
      - "Popping Color"
      - Broken/Distorted/Hole Punched Head Stripe
      - Pale Pattern Elements
      - Two Tone Coloration
      - Black Outline Around Saddles

      While these indicators are great tools in helping people recognize a Jungle Boa, the problem is that a Jungle Boa can have ONE of these primary indicators and still be a Jungle Boa. A Jungle is not always going to have a broken head spear, a Jungle is not always going to have black outlines around the saddles and a Jungle is not always going to have missing and floating saddle points.
      So, how exactly do we learn to recognize Jungles when things seem so inconsistent?

      Well, the first suggestion is that anyone interested in Jungles study them constantly; look at photos of them, look at videos of them, look at the markers and try to find them on your own without them being pointed out. After all, experience is what makes identifying these animals easier, but even the most skilled of keepers still have trouble determining a Jungle from a non-Jungle at times.

      One of the most important things to remember is that an aberrant pattern does not a Jungle make; just because it has a whacky pattern does not mean it is a Jungle. In fact, that is probably the least important element in telling a Jungle from a non-Jungle animal.

      It is also important to note, especially when it comes to Hypo Jungles, that black outlines will not always be readily seen on the saddles.

      Even the darkest of Jungles POP out at you meaning that in Jungles, there is almost always going to be an obvious intensity of dorsal color versus the color on their sides and it causes them to POP out. This is one of the most important aspects of determining when a Jungle actually is a Jungle. Generally, the back of the animal is going to be so much more colorful from the paler color of the sides that there is actually an outline of color that can be seen, or a “racing stripe” that prominently shows where the separation of color is.

      So, what is the best way to determine if an animal you have is a Jungle? Breed it to a confirmed Jungle. Why? Because only breeding a Jungle to another Jungle can create Super Jungles and Super Jungles are unmistakable.

      With all that being said, I have created some images as to better illustrate these explanations because trying to explain how to recognize a Jungle without being able to show someone is incredibly difficult and often very frustrating to the person trying to learn about it. So, in a better attempt to educate, I have made some posters explaining in the simplest of terms just what does and what does not make a Jungle.








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      Default Re: Those Darn Jungles (Identifying Jungles)

      Solid writeup.

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      Default Re: Those Darn Jungles (Identifying Jungles)

      Once again, WELL DONE!! Do you write for a magazine or something?

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      Default Re: Those Darn Jungles (Identifying Jungles)

      this is why i love my jungle!

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      Default Re: Those Darn Jungles (Identifying Jungles)

      Quote Originally Posted by natieb View Post
      Solid writeup.
      Thanks, Nate.

      Quote Originally Posted by jOHNNY t View Post
      Once again, WELL DONE!! Do you write for a magazine or something?
      Nope. Just have a fairly decent grasp on forming sentences. Lol

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      Quote Originally Posted by ShadowAceD View Post
      Nope. Just have a fairly decent grasp on forming sentences. Lol
      I would say, there is more to it than that. Nice work!

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      Default Re: Those Darn Jungles (Identifying Jungles)

      Very well done.

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      Default Those Darn Jungles (Identifying Jungles)

      Great write up. I'd love to see it taken further with identifying it with other morphs etc.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Atrayu View Post
      Great write up. I'd love to see it taken further with identifying it with other morphs etc.
      I'm not doing it. Lol

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      With all the time and effort you put into this, I hope the mods make it a sticky! Stellar job.
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      Default Those Darn Jungles (Identifying Jungles)

      Excellent and resourceful! I think I finally understand what makes a jungle -a jungle. I kept seeing posts about them but nobody has really done a great job in pointing out the differences visually. Thanks for the info!


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      LOVE IT! Thanks for the post!
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      Giving this a little bump.

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      Default Those Darn Jungles (Identifying Jungles)



      Jungle?

      Or

      _ _ _ _ _ _ _?


      The BronX BoA

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      Quote Originally Posted by Bronx Boa View Post


      Jungle?

      Or

      _ _ _ _ _ _ _?


      The BronX BoA

      In my opinion , I would say no -- It looks more like an aberrant normal to me. I definitely would not buy it as a Jungle if it were being sold as one.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Morgans Boas View Post
      In my opinion , I would say no -- It looks more like an aberrant normal to me. I definitely would not buy it as a Jungle if it were being sold as one.
      I agree with that.

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      Sold to me as a jaguar het anery


      The BronX BoA

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      Very good write up... Thanks for sharing that

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      Default Re: Those Darn Jungles (Identifying Jungles)

      what are your guys opinions?

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      Default Those Darn Jungles (Identifying Jungles)

      Ah found the thread. Ill leave a mark and read this theoughoutly when i have sleeped thanx for the info


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