Jeff , Brazilian amarali That's some fun Home work !

Originally Posted by The_Boaphile

Picture of a beautiful red influenced Hypo Jungle Boa from the Boaphile


You know what Larry, with your memory for details and my memory going back further, I think you and i can pretty much cover the gambit when it comes to Boa Constrictor breeding history out there. Here is a question for you Larry. You see people labeling their Brazilian amaralii as "Whoever's" bloodline or my bloodline. There is no such thing as Jeff Ronne bloodline Brazilians. I have made a lot of them and sold babies going back to 2000, but Brazilian amaralii all originated from one fellow and they are all his bloodline and not mine or anyone else's. Here are a couple questions for you:

Do you know who that was?

Do you know when he acquired the original breeding stock from Brazil?

Do you know how many litters of them he produced and in approximately what years? Those animals are the founding stock for nearly all of them except for some crosses that were mixed in long ago unfortunately...

How's that for a homework assignment?! LOL

Brazilian amarali That's some fun Home work Jeff !

Here is Jeff's "The Old Bolivian girl " back in 2006 I believe
That's a Joe Terry offspring descendant breeding her I believe.
Fathered in 2002 by the 16 year old Bolivian which was one of the 16 babies in the litter Joe Terry produced in 1986.


I had to freshen up my memory here. Jeff ,you know where this info comes from,LOL
I had Joe Terry and for some reason Bob Sears on my mind the whole time I was thinking about this.
Did Bob Sears ever bring anything back from Bolivia ?

Originally Posted by The_Boaphile

There is no such thing as Jeff Ronne bloodline Brazilians. I have made a lot of them and sold babies going back to 2000, but Brazilian amaralii all originated from one fellow and they are all his bloodline and not mine or anyone else's. Here are a couple questions for you:

Originally Posted by The_Boaphile

Do you know who that was?

That would be Joe Terry by way of Louis Poras

Originally Posted by The_Boaphile

Do you know when he acquired the original breeding stock from Brazil?

1985 I think,early 80's

Originally Posted by The_Boaphile

Do you know how many litters of them he produced and in approximately what years? Those animals are the founding stock for nearly all of them except for some crosses that were mixed in long ago unfortunately...

I quote
The first litter Joe Terry produced was back in 1985. This was the " Original " Bloodline.

The second litter was born in 1986 and this was the " Silverback Bloodline ".

“Silverback” from Joe Terry’s original Silverback litter born in 1987.

In 1988 Joe produced another litter from the " Original " bloodline.

In 1989 Joe produced the ' Big Female " or 89' bloodline. Not a catchy name but the largest litter till that date.

If I read correctly there were 37 babies in that litter.

Originally Posted by The_Boaphile

" Silverback " is the name of a BLOODLINE. This name was coined by Joe Terry in Florida sometime before 1987. He is one of the first and most successful breeders of Boa Constrictors. Joe purchased Boas from Louis Poras, then an owner of a reptile business called " The Shed ". This was in the early 1980's. Louis told Joe that they had received a shipment of birds from Bolivia and along with those birds were Boa Constrictors. These Boas formed the foundation of all Bolivian Boas in the US with a few very rare exceptions. Joe had two pair of these animals and one pair he named " Silverbacks " These animals and their descendants are the only " Silverbacks ". There are other Bolivinians that have silver backs but they are not " Silverbacks " because this is the name of a bloodline not a description of a characteristic. People voicing opinions based on a gut feel can often confuse the issue. Especially when these people are someone that is " known ". However, this is the real history of the " Silverback " Bolivians. This is not based on my opinion but on historical facts as revealed to me by Joe Terry who was the first one to breed Bolivians in captivity in the US. In fact, Joe had five litters of Bolivians before anyone else did. Atta Boy Joe!

I first bred Bolivians in 1994 and again in 1995. These two litters were from the same Silverback female. SHe produced nearly 100 babies in these two litters. She is the most prolific Bolivian ever.
We've had several other litters including two more from unrelated wild caught females. One litter of 22 three years ago using one of the wild caught females bred with one of the babies I produced in the first litter I had.
The babies I have been showing off here again come from a wild caught female. She had a very small litter of only six babies two years ago and shocked me to death when she had these 29 babies. I knew she was gravid but fully expected to have a litter of sweet potatoes which are not sweet at all. She only had a handful of the useless slugs and holy makeral! Tons of little gray kids. Well 29 of them anyhow. I am a very happy boy! I'm going to keep way too many of them you know. That is my job.

There is some history for ya
Its fun stuff ,LOL

[dangles]

were you one of those kids in school who got his homework assigned then finished it in one of your study halls later that day so you wouldn't have anything to do at home?

thanks for the info, though! very informative!

[Boa Amarali]

Originally Posted by dangles

were you one of those kids in school who got his homework assigned then finished it in one of your study halls later that day so you wouldn't have anything to do at home?

thanks for the info, though! very informative!

With all seriousness that's exactly who I was ,LOL !
Actually I usually tried to get it done right in
that class and period it was assigned.
While the teacher gabbed away, LOL

[The_Boaphile]

You did an excellent job Larry. The information you have is only as good as the information that you have. Joe Terry's Silverback Bolivian litter was born either in 1986 or 1987. I think 1987 though I have used both years. That was actually history for me when I learned and then unlearned the exact year. So one of those two years.

The boa breeding in this picture:



Is a baby from a male that bred the female in the picture above in 2002. That old female Bolivian is gravid now and if she doesn't die gravid, may have a litter in 33 days if she delivers on her due date.

Brazilian amaralii? Were you going to take a shot at the Brazilian amaralii question Larry or should I just spill the beans?

[jvarner]

Those are beautiful amarali Jeff.

Good history lesson too.

[Boa Amarali]

Originally Posted by The_Boaphile

You did an excellent job Larry. The information you have is only as good as the information that you have. Joe Terry's Silverback Bolivian litter was born either in 1986 or 1987. I think 1987 though I have used both years. That was actually history for me when I learned and then unlearned the exact year. So one of those two years.

The boa breeding in this picture:



Is a baby from a male that bred the female in the picture above in 2002. That old female Bolivian is gravid now and if she doesn't die gravid, may have a litter in 33 days if she delivers on her due date.

Brazilian amaralii? Were you going to take a shot at the Brazilian amaralii question Larry or should I just spill the beans?

Originally Posted by The_Boaphile

Brazilian amaralii? Were you going to take a shot at the Brazilian amaralii question Larry or should I just spill the beans?

I did hesitate to call them Amarali because I know you've stated scales counts
prove they are Bcc.

Jeff do you know this answer:
My question still is :

Did Bob Sears ever bring anything back from Bolivia ?

[DIRTY SHOOTER]

You da man Lar!! A bit nerdy on the subject but I still love ya

(Oh and I mean that in a strictly plutonic "brotherly/High Five" kind of love. Uh...Yeah. I'm gonna stop talking now)

[Boa Amarali]

Originally Posted by DIRTY SHOOTER

You da man Lar!! A bit nerdy on the subject but I still love ya

(Oh and I mean that in a strictly plutonic "brotherly/High Five" kind of love. Uh...Yeah. I'm gonna stop talking now)

Thanks Bro ,hey if I'm gonna be nerdy about something
What better subject than Boas I ask you !?!


Hey Jeff in 33 days maybe you will see some of these




Maybe Like this


OR possibly a pretty shot like this !

[The_Boaphile]

Originally Posted by Boa Amarali

Thanks Bro ,hey if I'm gonna be nerdy about something
What better subject than Boas I ask you !?!


Hey Jeff in 33 days maybe you will see some of these




Maybe Like this


OR possibly a pretty shot like this !

Those are all Brazilians Larry. The female that is due in 32 or 33 days is a Bolivian. Here are a few of the babies she made for me a while back:











Here she was in 2006 ovulating:



Everyone calls these type Brazilians and Bolvians amaralii but they are actually Bcc and not amaralii. Amaralii have a high scale row count of 72 if my aging memory doesn't fail me. Bolivians and Brazilians are all at least 80 scale rows with most of them actually coming in closer to 90 scale rows.

The Bolivians that Joe Terry bred, which is all the Bolivians in the US that I ever heard of except my one female and two other females that are no longer with us, originated from Louis Porras in the early 1980's. I talked extensively with Joe Terry about them in the late 1980's after he was the first one to produce them until I did a few years later from one of his Silver Back Bolivians.

The Brazilians were imported by Lloyd Lemke in around 1984. Lloyd kept his and is the single recognized original source of all Brazilian amaralii. Lloyd had a litter back in about 1991 of 17 or so babies. Jim Pomaville obtained a pair of them. Those are the only ones I ever heard of from that litter except some that Lloyd kept and bred in about 1996 or so producing an ever smaller litter. There were other Boas labeled Brazilian amaralii in the mid 1990's but nobody in the die hard Boa comunity beleived those were the real deal becuase of the extensively long tails about alf the babies from that litter had. Hence the people that did obtain them quit refering to them as that other bloodline becuase people did not want them becuase they were suspect.

I obtained the pair from Jim Pomaville about a year after he bought them from Lloyd Lemke. I tried to breed them for two seasons unsucessfully. In 1998 I sold the pair to Robert Flannery. Within six months Robert had a litter of I beleive 32 squigling baby Brazilians on his hands. Robert sold a few but sent the rest of the litter for me to sell for him. I kept 4.2 from that litter. I still have 3.1 of those and obtained another 2.2 from Robert the next year as that same pair pumped out another litter for him the following season.

Robert sold the babies himself the second year. THe first year I sold about 15 of those babies for Robert including a number to Barry Miller who has mades lots more of the Brazilians than anyone else. Some of those include some really really cool kids.

So that's the basic history of the Brazilian amaralii. Bob Sears brought in Boas from Crawl Key, Dominica, St. Lucia and a number of the Hog Island type Boas. I beleive he may have brought back a few mainland BOas from Beleze as well. But I don't think those reproduced for him. I do not remember ever hearing from Bob anything about him bringing anything from South America at all. Bob was a Boa guy and a Hot keeper. He loved those Gaboon Vipers. Yickes! I'm too big a wimp to keep anything that might kill me.

[HAWK]

This History lesson reminds me of the 1998 breeding video Jeff.