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    Earlier this week, we had a really interesting litter born.



    We have been wracking our brains trying to figure out what all is going on here. There's normals with full stripes:



    Hypos with long stripes:


    Snakes with bizarre background color:


    And everything in between. 0% of this litter are boring normals. Needless to say, this brings about a lot of speculation. What are they? How did they get that way? Is it genetic? I will be attempting to explore these questions and more in this thread.

    The sire of this litter is an EBV Red Group Salmon boa produced by Big Oz at Ozzy Boids back in the day when he worked with things that were more interesting than ball pythons.

    This is what he looked like 10 years ago when we got him as a sub-adult:


    And this is the most recent pic we have of him. He's actually MUCH prettier in person:


    For those who don't know, EBV stands for East Bay Vivarium. They had a group of very red colored pastel boas that they began producing in the late 90's if I recall correctly. They sold these animals as Red Groups. Until recently, as far as we knew, Reverand was just a really pretty Salmon. Note, however, the connected tail blotches... almost a stripe.

    The dam of this litter is Isabelle. She is a Monstertail boa produced by Jeff Ronne, The Boaphile. We don't have very many pictures of her as she is not a bundle of joy to mess with.


    Her Sire was the first Pearlescent boa. For more info on pearlescents, check this thread: http://www.redtailboas.com/f18/pearl...53/#post573020

    Her Dam was The Monster Tail.


    A few years ago, I bred Reverand to Heylia, one of Isabelle's siblings. This is what we made from that:


    We also made a few interesting things with solid stripes that don't look like pearlescents. Such as this one:


    This was one of his offspring from a boring normal. Notice the connected tail blotches:


    Here's one from the following year when I bred him to another one of the Pearlescent siblings. Also a Monster Tail:


    Quite possibly more interesting, this year we bred Fuente (see above) to a boring hypo. Look at this one too:


    So my theory is, Reverand makes babies with stripes. For some reason, when you breed it to a monster tail, that trait intensifies the striping. I don't know why or what else is going on here. The one thing that throws a monkey wrench into it is, back in 2011, I bred Reverand to Scarlett... the boring normal I mentioned earlier. She had a horrible litter of mostly slugs and a few dead babies. One of the babies was striped from its nose tip to its tail tip. I don't think I even have any picutres of it, but it was really neat looking.

    In discussions with Jeff, we think that we are seeing the Nova trait at work. Especially with some of the less striped babies. Their background colors are blown out and they don't have saddle points.

    Let the speculation begin! I would value all of your opinions on what I am seeing here.

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    PS: If you would like to see all of the pictures of this litter, check here:

    Isabelle x Reverend 2015

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      Definitely a phenomenal litter and a very interesting project!

      I look forward to seeing some of the results of your investigation.
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        Thanks for the thread Donnie. I love seeing the history behind the lines and this one is terrifically exciting. I'm quite sure that if you sell any of this litter they will be prohibitively expensive for me but I'm keeping an eye on them anyway.

        LOVE the name PrimaStripe!
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          I dunno Berk. We'll see how much interest these things generate. I have a lot of people who say they want one, but I had a bunch of people think they wanted pearlescents too a couple years ago. lol

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            I love how you where able to go all they back down the line. You got something here I can't wait to see where it goes.

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              I loved talking with you about these. That old Reverend makes some awesome babies.


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                Originally posted by PrimaReptilia View Post
                I dunno Berk. We'll see how much interest these things generate. I have a lot of people who say they want one, but I had a bunch of people think they wanted pearlescents too a couple years ago. lol
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                  Definitely looking forward to seeing more of these guys, and hearing about where the experiments go!

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                    It seems that you've established a pattern (See what I did there?) here. There has to be something genetic there. Even if he doesn't show it himself as much.

                    Have any of these babies that you've shown been bred yet? Any stripes there? I'd think to be sure on the genetic stripe question, one or more of the offspring would need to pass it on too.

                    Whatever you've got going on, I wouldn't stop doing it! That is an amazing litter!
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                      No idea but those are just WILD & gorgeous! All the best! (I'm just looking & admiring, not a future owner.)

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                        This male is from the Heylia x Reverand litter of 2011, his name is Belial:



                        He was bred to Kahlua:



                        They had a litter of 13 live, 3 slugs and 1 non-viable. Not only did we get this:



                        But we got this as well, note the connected tail blotches:



                        Fuente (that Donnie was talking about above) is also from that 2011 litter. Here is another pic of him so you can put the name to the animal:



                        He sired a small litter of 4 live and 14 slugs. The final pic Donnie posted is one of Fuente's offspring.

                        Hope that helps.
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                          [MENTION=325]ldydrgn[/MENTION] Where did my Double Dog Bone girl come from? Was she a Vaneta (sp?) baby? I want a male from one of these litters to pair with her


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                            Is this her?
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                              I am almost 100% sure that double dogbone is an HxR baby, meaning Reverend is her sire too.

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