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  • Is this a Jungle? (Sold to me as Jungle, het Sharp pH snow)

    Hi all,

    Last year I bought my first boa. He was sold to me as a 2014 Jungle, het Sharp albino, 50% het Snow. When I got him, I knew zero about boa genetics and morphs, I just wanted a pet! Since then, I've become completely smitten with boas and have toyed around with the idea of someday proving out that possible het for snow. So I've been reading up on my genetics and morphs and... I'm not confident that he is actually a Jungle! If he is, then I am figuring that he's very low expression Jungle.

    I found out that allegedly the dam was a Hypo and his Sire was a Sharp Jungle Sunglow, 100% het Anery (I say "allegedly" because the seller could not provide photos of the parents).

    So what do you all think? Could this be a Jungle? Thanks!

    Oh and while we're on the subject of Jungles... Do Super Jungles come with any of the genetic problems that other supers experience (like the lethal Super Motleys, for example)?
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    Re: Is this a Jungle? (Sold to me as Jungle, het Sharp pH snow)

    Sadly probably not, that guy looks like a normal to me man.

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    • #3
      Re: Is this a Jungle? (Sold to me as Jungle, het Sharp pH snow)

      Yeah that's what I'm thinking...

      Oh well. At least he is a very pretty normal!

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      • #4
        Re: Is this a Jungle? (Sold to me as Jungle, het Sharp pH snow)

        Yes, he IS a very pretty normal---love the blushing on his sides, his pink cheeks, and his really beautiful tail...Disappointing that he's not what you were told you were getting, but a very handsome animal in his own right--enjoy him!

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        • #5
          Re: Is this a Jungle? (Sold to me as Jungle, het Sharp pH snow)

          I've seen some REALLY low expression jungles (we are talking Richard Sterban low) and that guy looks completely normal to me. He's a gorgeous normal but not a Jungle.
          http://berkeleyknebel.wix.com/mississippimorphs

          Photo credit:Eddie Ard .....Banner Credit:Big PaPa Ernest

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          • #6
            Re: Is this a Jungle? (Sold to me as Jungle, het Sharp pH snow)

            Just love him for "who he is". Sad that so many sellers (not just of snakes!) will pretty much tell you anything you want to hear & very little truth. Your boa is attractive no matter what.
            Too bad there's no "Car-Fax" for snakes? (and I've heard even THEIR data is manipulated!)

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            • #7
              Re: Is this a Jungle? (Sold to me as Jungle, het Sharp pH snow)

              Nope NO Jungle there !

              Lar M
              Boas By Klevitz

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              • #8
                Re: Is this a Jungle? (Sold to me as Jungle, het Sharp pH snow)

                He likes nice tho.. Still love him anyway
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                • #9
                  Re: Is this a Jungle? (Sold to me as Jungle, het Sharp pH snow)

                  Thanks for the input, everyone! I am disappointed that I was mislead, though I still love this guy. Should I take any sort of action? The breeder actually got really good reviews and he was quite inexpensive; I don't want to put up a big stink, but if I should say something, I will.

                  And if he DOES end up making me some snows, then who even cares??

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                  • #10
                    Re: Is this a Jungle? (Sold to me as Jungle, het Sharp pH snow)

                    Personally I'd chalk it up to a "learning experience". You originally bought him as just a pet...and that he is. But if-when you want to think about selecting a snake to breed, you want much more than pretty
                    promises from the seller. You want a reputable breeder & one who will verify their claims, BEFORE you buy the snake. If you seriously want to consider breeding THIS snake, you might try for more information
                    (nicely!) from this seller first & only go ahead if you are convinced that the genes favor producing what you actually want, rather than creating a bunch more boas with uncertain genes & generic appearances.

                    You said his price was very good & you know the old saying: if it seems too good to be true, then it probably is! No, you shouldn't make a scene with the seller...it's your fault too, if what you told him was that
                    you just wanted a nice pet. For all we know those genes are hiding in there somewhere too? When you don't already KNOW what you're looking to buy, you usually GET whatever others are selling... If that was me,
                    I'd contact the seller & be honest...say that now you're having some thoughts about breeding him & can you SEE his parents, so you know what he might produce?

                    Don't get me wrong: I love & admire the 'generic' snakes...the ones MOST favored by natural selection...but you aren't setting these free to survive on their own, you are wanting ones with commercial appeal and
                    ones with a better chance of getting good homes as captive pets.

                    One more thing: I don't know your experience, but FYI: if what you really want is to produce 'snows' just so you can keep one or two, you'd be FAR better off (financially) just buying them! My 2 cents....breeding
                    & selling pets is NEVER as easy or lucrative as you expect it to be.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Is this a Jungle? (Sold to me as Jungle, het Sharp pH snow)

                      Depends. The price for a normal boa is $100 and under depending where you buy it from. So if thats what you paid then I wouldn't worry about it.

                      However, sellers charge a "premium" for morph boas. Adding in the supposed jungle trait, the het albino and poss het anery I would guess you paid over $200. If thats the case I would contact the seller and ask for compensation.

                      You were misled, either intentionally or accidentally. Either way, the seller should make it right.

                      And for the record, that is a very nice and clean looking normal.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Is this a Jungle? (Sold to me as Jungle, het Sharp pH snow)

                        To the OP: you might want to re-ask your question about the existence of any genetic issues (lethal or otherwise) with super jungles...I think it's a good question but has gotten lost in the discussion.
                        (I can't answer that but I'm sure some others can)

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                        • #13
                          Re: Is this a Jungle? (Sold to me as Jungle, het Sharp pH snow)

                          If you feel that you were wronged by the seller then by all means, I would contact the seller to straighten things out.

                          However, when you said he was quite inexpensive, I can't help but wonder if the boa was possibly mislabeled by accident or if it wasn't meant to be labeled as having come from a Jungle litter.

                          You are really the only one who knows all the details of your transaction, so you are really the only one who can make the decision on whether or not you should contact the seller.
                          "An increase in reptile education can lead to a decrease in reptile discrimination." - Bebo

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