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  • Need Help - jonathan_hackett (EPW rep) needs Info on Python Ban

    Post from Aaron Houts on KS


    Hi, guys,
    I was doing my calls today and called Rep. Inhofe from OK. They were so helpful that they forwarded me to their EPW representative! He said that they were against the bill as it stands. I thanked him and asked him to please spread the word to other members to vote against it.
    I'm at work and may not have the time to do so, but was thinking of the Barkers’ paper and the letter written by the group of scientists against the survey.
    He asked me to please post his email on these forums to get him the info.
    Again, he's already on our side but is ASKING FOR INFO FROM US to help spread the FACTS!
    Can you please help get it to him!
    Here's his email:
    [email protected]
    Remember he's on our side so please be professional and polite.
    Thanks guys,

    I'm a little confused who jonathan_hackett on the "EPW" (Committee on Environment and Public Works) actually is.
    I don't see him on our lists ???

    Who has all this info at their finger tips ??

    Chris do you, it'll take me sometime to pull it all together ??

    Ny study

    Barkers paper

    Scientist / Biologists letter discrediting the USGS study

    Lar M
    Boas By Klevitz


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    Re: Need Help - jonathan_hackett (EPW rep) needs Info on Python Ban

    here's what I've pulled together so far what am I missing here ?

    Pyron/Burbrink/Guiher Report
    Claims of Potential Expansion throughout the U.S. by
    Invasive Python Species Are Contradicted by Ecological
    Niche Models
    R. Alexander Pyron1,2*, Frank T. Burbrink2, Timothy J. Guiher1,2

    On Burmese Pythons in the Everglades
    Questions Posed and Answered on the Issues of Pythons
    in South Florida and in Captivity
    David G. Barker and Tracy M. Barker

    USARK's Archives containing many informational Documents

    USARK - Archive

    The Tympanum

    Bull. Chicago Herp. Soc. 43(3):45-47, 2008

    invasive species definition by law

    Is the Burmese python an invasive species?
    No. We have it on presidential authority that the Burmese
    python in Florida is not an invasive species. They
    can be correctly identified as an “exotic species,” or an
    “established exotic,” a “non-native species,” or even an
    “alien species.” They are not by legal definition an invasive
    Presidential Order 13112, signed into law by President
    Bill Clinton on February 3, 1999, and titled Invasive
    Species, provides the following definition [Section 1 (f)]:
    “invasive species means an alien species whose introduction
    does or is likely to cause economic or environmental
    harm, or harm to human health.”

    Lar M
    Boas By Klevitz



    • #3
      Re: Need Help - jonathan_hackett (EPW rep) needs Info on Python Ban

      E-mail sent anybody let me know if I missed something ?

      Lar M
      Boas By Klevitz



      • #4
        Re: Need Help - jonathan_hackett (EPW rep) needs Info on Python Ban

        There is also this:

        PLoS ONE: Claims of Potential Expansion throughout the U.S. by Invasive Python Species Are Contradicted by Ecological Niche Models

        I know it's a bit late, but it may not hut to send a follow up e-mail with this link as well. He can review it in the morning, or at home if he has access to his office email (whcih I'm sure he does)


        • #5
          Re: Need Help - jonathan_hackett (EPW rep) needs Info on Python Ban

          the letter to congress was sent around in an email from USARK, but here it is...

          Letter To Congress:
          24 November 2009
          U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary
          The Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism & Homeland Security
          2138 Rayburn House Office Building
          Washington, DC 20515
          Dear Chairman Bobby Scott and Ranking Member Louie Gohmert:
          We write in regard to the recent Congressional hearing on HR 2811. As scientists who have worked with reptiles including those cited in HR2811, we express our reservations regarding the document recently released by USGS as an “Open-Report”, titled Giant Constrictors: Biological and Management Profiles and an Establishment Risk Assessment for Nine Large Species of Pythons, Anacondas, and the Boa Constrictor.
          Simply put, this report is not a bona-fide “scientific” paper that has gone through external peer review. Part of this report is fact-driven, described by the authors as “traditional library scholarship.” By the authors’ admissions, there are surprisingly little data available regarding the natural history of these species. In their attempt to compile as much information as possible, the authors draw from a wide variety of references, ranging from articles published in peer-reviewed professional journals to far less authoritative hobbyist sources, including popular magazines, the internet, pet industry publications, and even various media sources. While such an approach is inclusive, it tends to include information that is unsubstantiated and, in some cases, contradicts sound existing data.
          As scientists whose careers are focused around publishing in peer-reviewed journals and providing expert reviews of papers submitted to these journals, we feel it is a misrepresentation to call the USGS document “scientific”. In fact, much of this report is based on an unproven risk assessment model that produces results that contradict the findings presented in a recently published scientific paper that used a more complex and superior model (see: Pyron R.A., F.T. Burbrink, and T.J. Guiher. 2008. Claims of Potential Expansion throughout the U.S. by Invasive Python Species Are Contradicted by Ecological Niche Models, PLoS One 3: e2931. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0002931). Unfortunately, the authors of the USGS document limit their reference to this scientific work to an unsubstantiated criticism. To the contrary, this alternate model is validated by its relatively accurate prediction of the natural distribution of the species in question (something the USGS model does not even attempt). Furthermore, despite its conclusion of a limited potential distribution of Burmese pythons in the United States, the model presented by Pyron et al. accurately predicts the presence of Burmese pythons in the Everglades.
          The USGS model likely provides a gross overestimate of potential habitat for these snake species. People throughout the United States keep pythons as pets, yet the only known breeding populations in the United States are in the Everglades. Such a wide distribution of potential sources of invasion, but only a localized invasive event, suggests that factors beyond those used in the USGS model are critical to limiting the suitability of habitat for pythons. The authors even state that climate is only one factor of several that affect the distribution of an animal, yet they develop a model that only uses overly simplistic climatic data (e.g., the climatic data did not take seasonality into consideration).
          We are further concerned by the pervasive bias throughout this report. There is an obvious effort to emphasize the size, fecundity and dangers posed by each species; no chance is missed to speculate on negative scenarios. The report appears designed to promote the tenuous concept that invasive giant snakes are a national threat. However, throughout the report there is a preponderance of grammatical qualifiers that serve to weaken many, if not most, statements that are made.
          We fully recognize the serious concerns associated with the presence of persistent python populations in southern Florida. As top predators, these animals can and will have a dramatic impact on the community of wildlife that lives in the Everglades. Inaccurately extending this threat to a much large geographic area is not only inappropriate, but likely takes needed focus away from the real problem in the Everglades.
          In conclusion, as written, this document is not suitable as the basis for legislative or regulatory policies, as its content is not based on best science practices, it has not gone through external peer-review, and it diverts attention away from the primary concern. We encourage the USFWS and USGS to submit this document to an independent body for proper and legitimate peer review. Additionally, we encourage the Committee to review this document, not as an authoritative scientific publication, but rather as a report currently drafted to support a predetermined policy.
          Elliott Jacobson, MS, DVM, PhD, Dipl. ACZM
          Professor of Zoological Medicine
          University of Florida
          Dale DeNardo, DVM, PhD
          Associate Professor School of Life Sciences
          Arizona State University
          Paul M. Gibbons, DVM, MS, Dipl. ABVP (Avian)
          President-Elect, Association of Reptilian and Amphibian Veterinarians
          Interim Regent, Reptiles & Amphibians, American Board of Veterinary Practitioners
          Director, Exotic Species Specialty Service
          Animal Emergency Center and Specialty Services
          Chris Griffin, DVM, Dipl. ABVP (Avian)
          President, Association of Reptilian and Amphibian Veterinarians
          Owner and Medical Director
          Griffin Avian and Exotic Veterinary Hospital
          Brady Barr, PhD
          Resident Herpetologist
          National Geographic Society
          Endangered Species Coalition of the Council of State Governments
          Crocodilian Specialist Group
          Warren Booth, PhD
          Invasive Species Biologist
          Research Associate
          North Carolina State University
          Director of Science
          United States Association of Reptile Keepers
          Ray E. Ashton, Jr.
          Ashton Biodiversity Research & Preservation Institute
          Robert Herrington, PhD
          Professor of Biology
          Georgia Southwestern State University
          Douglas L. Hotle
          Curator of Herpetology/Conservation/Research
          Natural Toxins Research Center
          Texas A&M University
          Francis L. Rose (Retired) , B.S., M.S. (Zoology), PhD (Zoology)
          Professor Emeritus
          Texas State University
          Edward J. Wozniak DVM, PhD
          Regional Veterinarian
          Zoonosis Control Division
          Texas Department of State Health Services

          great work! keep it up!


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            Re: Need Help - jonathan_hackett (EPW rep) needs Info on Python Ban

            Thanks Chris that's what I couldn't find even though

            I have all of those E-mails from USARK

            Lar M
            Boas By Klevitz