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  • Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

    I have heard many statements from friends that weren't "snake people" expressing that they considered the standard boa enclosure to be to small for the inhabitant. Whether sharing online photographs, or discussing/displaying my own animals it has certainly been a reoccurring statement. Recently a friend had her six and eight year old over, and the kids mentioned right away "She needs a bigger cage" (referring to my nine foot boa, in an 8x2). Are they correct? Have we boa keepers as a community become so accustomed to maintaining our animals in minimally spaced enclosures that we need to be enlightened by children with no knowledge of reptile keeping?

    After nearly thirty consecutive years of keeping boids, it appears that the minimal recommended enclosure size for keeping boas has decreased over the years. The commonly used standard today is LxW>SNAKE. When I first got involved in keeping boas in the 1980's the minimal standard was essentially L+W>SNAKE. One publicized example of such is this quote from Philippe de Vosjoli (reference The General Care and Maintenance of Red-Tailed Boas, page 24, 1990) which reads in part "By two years an enclosure at least 48 inches long and 24 inches wide will be required and preferably an enclosure 60-84 inches long (the size enclosure a large female will eventually require)." In summary, he was recommending a 7x2 for a large female.

    If that adds relevance to the point, it would only be appropriate to examine the reasons for a decrease in the minimal recommended cage size.

    One reason certainly could be an increase in the size of personal reptile collections from the 1980's to today. Without any factual evidence or reputable studies, I can only theorize that personal collections are larger today, yet it could be difficult to argue otherwise.

    In the late 1980's there simply weren't as many reptiles available to collect. Morphs were essentially non-existent or too expensive for the general public. If you had a ball, a boa, and a burm you essentially had them all (as far as boids were concerned)... Retics had an unsavory reputation back then, and were rarely available. Less was known about breeding, so personal herp keepers were likely less willing to even attempt to breed. At that time, many available animals were often wild caught, or farm bred. Having a smaller collection seems to correlate with providing larger enclosures.

    The stackable cages available today offer the availability to keep a larger collection of animals, and the hundreds of available colors and morphs keep us all interested, and buying.

    Cost is always a factor in enclosure size, and as the norm has switched from custom built enclosures to commercially constructed ones (due to the former lack of availability), that variable appears to hold even more relevance. Those that have done the math, and done the builds will likely concur that building a 4x2 (as opposed to buying a commercially built enclosure) isn't really cost effective... But due to the high cost of shipping cages larger than four feet in length, the tables are reversed when considering an 8x2. Thus, as fewer of us build, larger cages become increasingly expensive.

    So what if we DO have larger collections? And who cares if our cages are a little smaller if our snakes are healthy, and breeding? Let me share some personal observations of the behavior of my own animals.

    I had noticed that my larger boa was consistently coiled tightly on the cool side of her 5x2 enclosure. She has always been a "cool side snake", but she never would coil when out of her enclosure.... Even if she decided to take a nap.

    When I upgraded my larger boa's enclosure from a 5x2 to an 8x2 I noticed that she no longer remained coiled tightly, yet was consistently stretched out on the cool side. I had used the same model RHP as in her prior cage, so essentially my basking spot was the same as her old cage, but now there was more square footage of cool side floor space in the new enclosure. She was clearly coiled in the 5x2 attempting to thermo regulate, and was constantly coiled due to a lack of available cool side floor space. In short, the 5x2 was too small for the eight foot boa to comfortably thermo regulate.

    There is a direct correlation with success of keeping and especially breeding boas and the ability to replicate their natural climate and environment. Are we really doing this to best of our ability using minimal sized enclosures?

    Consider the common 4x2 plastic, front opening boa enclosure with a cool side surface floor temp of 78 and a hot spot of 92 (the heating source would most commonly be a RHP or UTH). Lets say for argument sake that if you ran your temp across the bottom of the cage you would get a reading of 78 up to four inches from one end, and hit the center of the hot spot at 92 eight inches from the opposite side of the enclosure. That give you a fluctuation in surface temp of 14 degrees over a space of 36 inches. That equates to more than a full degree temperature change every three inches. Now imagine a three foot boa in that same enclosure (which would be fairly spacious accommodations by most standards). That three foot snake would be experiencing 92 degree surface temperatures at it's head, and 78 degree surface temperatures at it's tail when full stretched out across the length of the enclosure. Even if coiled in a ball (assuming the three foot snake has a nine inch diameter while coiled) the snake would be experiencing more than a three degree surface temperature change from one side of it's coiled body to the opposite side. Now imagine an eight foot boa in that same enclosure. Assuming the eight foot boa has a coiled up diameter of 21 inches the snake would be experiencing more than a seven degree surface temperature change from one side of it's coiled body to the opposite side. Now imagine the snake stretched out a little experiencing up to 14 degree fluctuations over it's body. That temperature variation for the eight foot snake (in a 4x2) holds true for most size animals using the LxW=SNAKE equation. It certainly seems less than ideal for an animal that is cold blooded, and it seems to poorly represent temperatures that may be encountered in the wild. Sure surface temps outside are not consistent, but the jungle floor doesn't constantly vary 14 degrees every 36 inches. This scenario gets even more exaggerated if using a glass enclosure with a heat lamp or CHE as the temp changes would be in both the surface and ambient temperatures.

    Captive kept boas generally have a higher percentage of body fat than their wild cousins. This is likely due to a variable of factors. Exceptionally kept animals are often well fed, have veterinary care, expend little energy searching for food or a mate, encounter no predators or parasites, experience no drastic temperature changes and generally have less overall stress. All that being said, most rarely (if ever) get the chance to climb or swim and have almost no opportunity to exercise in enclosures that are most often shorter than the length of the snake.

    Often the claim is made that snakes get stressed out if the enclosure is too large. There may be some truth to snakes being stressed out by large open spaces. Have you ever seen a wild snake in the middle of a parking lot? Doubt it... One word, predators. However, the jungle clearly has no walls. I currently keep a 2015 boa in a 5X2, and the snake is thriving, demonstrating no signs of stress whatsoever. Multiple hides and cover are provided throughout the enclosure to mimic the jungle floor and provide a sense of security. One can only ponder if the aforementioned claim is made for the benefit of the animal, or the convenience of it's keeper.

    When I was a child, I can remember the norm in my town/neighborhood for dogs owners was to chain them to a tree with a dog house and leave them outside year round. If you walk through that same neighborhood today, you will not see that as the norm has since evolved to a more ethical treatment of mans best friend. If you left your dog penned up too long it would vocalize it's displeasure, as would your cat. Snakes do not have that ability, but I have never owned a snake that didn't attempt escape when being reintroduced to it's enclosure. Maybe we collectively need to evaluate and recreate the norms and caging standards for our slithering cohorts.

    Think about it.

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    Re: Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

    This has been on my mind a lot lately, both the temp and space issues of snake keeping. I only really got deeper into snakes recently after owning one for almost a decade, figured I wasn't getting any younger and better get in if I wanted to. I bought a stack of 3 and 4 foot boaphiles, my collection is 4 short tail pythons, 1 bcc, 1 bp, 1 western hog, 1 dumerils boa. Most of my snakes are still very young and I've been doing cage shuffling and trying to plan ahead. Currently my bcc is about five feet long and in a four foot cage and looking at him, I can't imagine an adult boa in this cage. For now it seems great but as he puts on length and especially girth, just doesn't seem feasible. I was pricing out 6 and 8 foot cages but debating going for a more "cages by design" style display setup also. I don't plan on expanding much and don't breed, my reptiles have their own room already, just a matter of rearranging.

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    • #3
      Re: Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

      I agree with the OP: the trend to keep more animals seems to result in modern keepers (consciously or unconsciously) justifying the most "convenient" cages for their animals...racks & stacks & tubs are the new norm,
      with less-than-generous dimensions, instead of the best possible quality of life for each individual animal. Not unlike "factory farming" of livestock IMO. I think that's one reason I prefer "smaller" colubrids...they only grow
      to a manageable size...manageable size for me to handle, but also, manageable in terms of providing the best habitat. It's truly expensive to do what's best for a snake that grows to 8' or more, and I hope more of us
      think about that before acquiring so many, much less reproducing them unchecked. We've had one or more European members post here showing a VAST difference in what they provide their animals, compared to what
      is "the norm" here in the U.S.

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      • #4
        Re: Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

        Also in total agreement with OP. I've been involved in the reptile community for 15 years and I've noticed the standard cage sizes shrink over the years. I do think it varies a little based on species. For example my boreal snakes I take height into account so my JCP who is just over 5ft is in a 3x2x2 and looks perfectly comfortable in there. But there is also a huge difference between a 5ft JCP and a 5ft BCI in terms of girth. My JCP can still hide underneath his water bowl, my BCI's not so much, lol. I have a stack of 4ft and 3ft cages and soon I'll be getting some 6ft cages to move some of the larger snakes into. It costs a lot of money and it's going to be a game of tetris fitting everything into SnakeTown but it's my choice to have so many reptiles so therefore it's my responsible to makes sure they're all in suitable habitats. Anyone want to come to Boston in January and help me put together a bunch of AP cages?

        I'm not as active in the lizard community but I feel like their cage standards haven't shrunk in the same way that snake cage sizes have. I've met a few breeders of various lizard species and they all keep their collections in the same large spacious cages that I remember always keeping them in. My little tiny green anole has a 20 gallon cage, lol.
        “I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by.” -DA
        www.outworldreptiles.com

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        • #5
          Re: Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

          Originally posted by Zaphod42 View Post
          ...Anyone want to come to Boston in January and help me put together a bunch of AP cages? .....
          Might not get OUT of Boston until March...we're not THAT crazy here! ha ha ha...

          Afterthought: you've noticed the cages shrinking for the last 15 years, but I've been in the "community" for about 30 years, and recommended cage sizes were actually quite tiny, once upon a time. Then as we
          got to know our animals a bit better & realized they actually have personalities & needs, cages "grew" for a while until the internet came along & turned us all into reptile-junkies, trying to fit more of them into our
          houses with us. Whether to better know & appreciate the pets we have, or because "climate change" is going to mess with the cost of our utilities & overall "economy", I do believe it's time to re-think how many
          pets we keep. Speaking for myself, for so many years I kept saying "what's one more?" but I have to say the work & expenses mount up & I really enjoy having more time with fewer, as I did in "the beginning".

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          • #6
            Re: Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

            Originally posted by Noelle7206 View Post
            Speaking for myself, for so many years I kept saying "what's one more?" but I have to say the work & expenses mount up & I really enjoy having more time with fewer, as I did in "the beginning".
            Yeah I'm definitely very careful about what I add to my collection, particularly for the BCI's and other larger snakes. The "what's one more?" thought is a dangerous one when there are so many pretty morphs out there. For me utilities have never had much of an impact, even when I lived in California and had higher utility bills. What's always been the hardest for me is space, especially now that I'm on the east cost and living in Boston. What I pay to rent two smallish rooms in a house is what I used to pay in California to share a 3 bedroom house with my boyfriend, lol. I would like to move but I have a dog and a cat plus all the snakes so finding a place to rent is next to impossible and despite making pretty good money it's unlikely I'll ever be a home owner thanks to student loans. Unless I move back to California and take over my Aunt and Uncles ranch...which is unfortunately in the middle of nowhere so it'd be hard to find a job, especially one that pays as good as mine. ****ed if you do ****ed if you don't, lol.

            And so far our winter has been very mild in Boston! Not a hint of snow! Which is exactly what happened last year right up until February...ugh...
            “I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by.” -DA
            www.outworldreptiles.com

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            • #7
              Re: Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

              Originally posted by Zaphod42 View Post
              Anyone want to come to Boston in January and help me put together a bunch of AP cages?
              LOL. Boston in January. Um, I think I have a prior engagement (with Phoenix in January).

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              • #8
                Re: Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

                I just viewed a proudly posted photograph of a large retic crammed into what appears to be a six foot enclosure. I feel this type of posting/husbandry is nothing short of cruel to the animal, and detrimental to the reputation of reptile keepers. Photographs of that nature could possibly be used as ammunition by some of the parties that are constantly and successfully taking away our collective rights as reptile owners. That poor snake.

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                • #9
                  Re: Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

                  Originally posted by Kung Fu Joe View Post
                  I just viewed a proudly posted photograph of a large retic crammed into what appears to be a six foot enclosure. I feel this type of posting/husbandry is nothing short of cruel to the animal, and detrimental to the reputation of reptile keepers. Photographs of that nature could possibly be used as ammunition by some of the parties that are constantly and successfully taking away our collective rights as reptile owners. That poor snake.
                  Maybe so, maybe no. Some retics are picky about enclosures, and some that you'd swear would be cramped even in an 8 footer will give themselves a bad case of "face smash", or they go off of food and display general grumpiness until they're housed in a smaller space.

                  Fortunately I've never encountered one like this and I'd really rather not. I prefer the enclosure be big enough that the snake can make a mess and move away from it, rather than having to lie in it, and then end up wearing it and spreading it everywhere. Yuck.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

                    If an animal is exceptionally kept and properly fed then their muscle content will be high because the proper feeding regime will encourage movement from the animal as it will "seek out" a food source, a larger enclosure is not necessarily going to promote any additional movement from an animal that has no reason to move.

                    Movement in the wild is necessitated by need, it is the same in captivity but since needs are generally met then movement dramatically decreases.

                    Most captive snakes are overfed and that is more a contributing factor to poor muscle condition than lack of space, really and since boa constictors readily partake in thigmotaxis then being able to move around in an enclosure where they can keep the majority of their body in contact with a secure surface is ideal.

                    Everyone has their own opinions on what would be the minimum requirements, but I can assure you that what is deemed the standard currently is more than adequate for the long term well-being of these animals.

                    Most of my boas happily return to their enclosures, by the way.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

                      "thigmotaxis"??? Wow, I got a new word today! Thanks, ShadowAceD-

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                      • #12
                        Re: Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

                        Originally posted by ShadowAceD View Post
                        Most captive snakes are overfed and that is more a contributing factor to poor muscle condition than lack of space, really and since boa constictors readily partake in thigmotaxis then being able to move around in an enclosure where they can keep the majority of their body in contact with a secure surface is ideal.
                        I would agree that being overfed is a huge problem for snakes in captivity. I mean how many times do we hear folks say, "Well my snake looked hungry so I fed him/her.", lol. My boas always look hungry. Even if they ate a large rat the previous day they'll be at the front of their enclosures begging for more the next day. That said, there is only so much a 6ft boa can move around in a 3x2 cage. Minimum requirements seem to vary a bit in the US reptile community. I think it's an interesting topic. I stopped by a local reptile store this weekend and they have several adult boas crammed into glass tanks that were probably a little less than 3x2 (note they were not in the same cages). Now there was a lot wrong with this not just the size of the cage, I doubt the temps/humidity were that great, no hides available so the poor boas were stuck in a glass box completely exposed to the world. But all of their chameleons, bearded dragons, and other lizards were in nice spacious cages with adequate hides, etc. The juxtaposition of the different levels of care was jarring. I suspect it's because a lot of lizard species will not survive or will at least become noticeably stressed if there environmental needs aren't met whereas a lot of snakes species can put up subpar conditions for quite some time without "looking" like they're suffering.

                        Also it goes without saying that I think everyone here takes very good care of all the snakes in their collection : )
                        “I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by.” -DA
                        www.outworldreptiles.com

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                        • #13
                          Re: Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

                          Originally posted by Zaphod42 View Post
                          But all of their chameleons, bearded dragons, and other lizards were in nice spacious cages with adequate hides, etc. The juxtaposition of the different levels of care was jarring. I suspect it's because a lot of lizard species will not survive or will at least become noticeably stressed if there environmental needs aren't met whereas a lot of snakes species can put up subpar conditions for quite some time without "looking" like they're suffering.
                          You make a valid point... Not too long ago I was diggin' the anaconda display at the Biodome in Montreal... and then I was utterly mesmerized by the Amazonian sized display they had for their tiny little poison dart frogs. If they were snakes, they would probably be kept in little ice cubed sized enclosures.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Your boa needs a larger enclosure... and so does mine.

                            Unfortunately, you don't have to look very far to see the reality of the point I addressed in post #8. I clicked on a link for the Humane Society of the United States, while on RTB and found this article.

                            Dangerous Exotic Pets: Snakes : The Humane Society of the United States

                            It reads in part;

                            Typical Sub-Standard Living Conditions for Captive Large Constrictor Snakes
                            • Undersized tanks that prevent normal snake behaviors and movements, including stretching out to their full body length
                            • Simplistic, clinical environments that are nothing at all like the natural environments snakes experience in the wild
                            • Breeding operations that keep snakes in warehouse-type conditions, often inside exceptionally small stacked plastic containers no larger than shoe or sweater boxes

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