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  • draco842
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    I didnt mean to "knock" you Lori it wasn't my intention. This is my fav fourm and do not like being deleted. I am sorry, but Kevin and Paden have both told mean I am correct on my temp. What do you think they sould be at? When I get a digital camera I will post Padens Boas. Lori you could learn alot from Paden I have seen his work he is better than anyone I have ever seen by a long shot. I will tell him to start posting stuff here. You will see what his boas look like. And then you will want one, but it will cost you both arms and a leg. If I had even close to the kind of money it would cost to own one of his boas I would buy one in a heart beat. I have had a bad time with Bob Clark so I am just in a bad mood. Don't know if I am a loud to say that cause it seems yall have strick rules. Hope we can still learn from each other. I have never traded and animal and I think that was an insult to me. We have the same outlook on the "selling one to buy another one" and I dont think you would be very happy if people started saying that you just got tierd of one so you moved to the next one. If Clay loved a Boa since you had bought it and had been offering you alot more then you payed and he was going to breed it and give you a % of the offspring would you do it? It's a personal friend as well so I dont even feel we I have parted from Draco.

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  • LORI
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    She is an extremely respected voice in our industry and has my complete confidence. I will not allow anyone to flame her at my forum.
    THANK YOU CLAY!


    for example Lori and I do not agree about everything, but you NEVER see me saying "Lori does not know what she is talking about".
    YUP..LOL.. There are a couple things that Clay and I have "disagreed" upon in the area of RTb's hehe. BUT You would never see either one of us "downsiding" the other one. It serves no purpose what so ever IMO. I respect Clay and what he has accomplished in the world of reptiles. AND He has not gotten this far without a "clue in life when it comes to the reptiles which he works with. There are differences of opinion that will come across at times in relation to certain aspects of keeping herps. Sometimes what works for one person, just doesn't work for another..vice versa also. No matter what we do though, we ALWAYS keep the health of the reptile at the for front. Our temps may differ by a few degrees, but I think we can all agree that keeping an RTB at 90 degrees or + is NOT a good thing. Other things.. weeell Clay and I for one example have agreed to disagree on some things. BUT we also have agreed that what we do works for us and our herps are healthy with what it is we are doing also. AND such is done with no derogatory flaming to say the least, let alone any level of disrespect toward the other person. Afterall....isn't such a thing what makes the world go round ??? Peacefully that is btw.

    Clay.. I have also deleted some referencing on the forums to Bob Clark myself that were made by draco. AND IF it is done again.. I shall do so again.



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  • ClayEnglish
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    By the way,  Lori has COMPLETE control over these posts, and may delete anything, anytime, anywhere.  She is an extremely respected voice in our industry and has my complete confidence.  I will not allow anyone to flame her at my forum.

    Again I never delete someone having opposing opinions, for example Lori and I do not agree about everything, but you NEVER see me saying "Lori does not know what she is talking about".

    I have deleted a couple of posts in this thread already, so keep it clean and keep it on point.  State your view and "let it ride".

    Anyone using harsh or flaming language will simply be deleted.

    Any one that flames someone's name or ideas, will also be deleted.   It has been that way on this forum for almost 3 years now, and will continue to be so.

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  • Red
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    I think if I remember right.(I have not been in nerd in a while...) But I do belive that he ment that your cage on the cool end can drop that low at night... Not all the time... I think clay say's this on his care guides too and the boa constrictor manual does too.. well I hope this clear's things up for you draco... and your friend is the best in the world.? can you show us some of the stock he has.. So we can make that decision... since we do have the largest breeder of boa constictors in the world come here all the time... He may be able to tell you if that stock is of real quilty or not...
    Eric aka...Red

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  • LORI
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    First of all I am not knoking Lori I never said that
    Hmm.. I'd refer to this post you made as "knoking" MOI..IMO of course..
    I am not looking for negative feedback expecially when you have no idea about what you are talking about. People like you are the ones who drive people away from this hobby
    Let me be the first to clarify EXACTLY how much I wouldn't have any idea what i am talking about LOL.

    I have 25+ years experience with reptiles. ALL of those years include the Boa Constrictors. The BCI was the first reptile I ever kept.
    Contrary to what you may think you know...I DO breed reptiles...YES .. even the BOAS. My specialty is the circle backed BCI's btw even. Most of my females clutch out at an average of 32 in a clutch. My ratios fall in the area of [ cb = circleback]
    cb : cb = 90% cb's
    cb : norm = 40%cb : 60%norm
    I am currently working in the area of breeding of the BCI's with a male that is a proven breeder for pastel/cb/and hoping to prove a striping occurance which took place as being a genetic one.
    I am also working on a breeding project with Guyanas atm and hoping to carry through and produce some ladderbacked high pink babies in clutching from the ones I am currently working with.
    I also breed other reptiles as well.

    I do education in regards to reptiles also. I have been the presentator for wildlife rehab courses people take for becoming licensed/permitted for such , in the area of the reptile related aspects for such.
    I have also been an educational advisor for our local zoo in the area of reptiles and also have a breeding project in the works of being set up atm for the purpose of reintroduction of a specie of snake that is on our state's protected list where I live.
    I am the education link for our local a/c officers here in my city in relation to reptiles. I have also offered to take their reptile calls and get nagged on a weekly basis by some of their officers to become more involved with them.
    I also am working on getting more involved with our state audobon society in the area of reptiles as well. I recently had a visit from a couple of the Audobon's society personel [ last week] and had a great educational tour of my facility with them. I also took in some chelonians from them at that time as well.
    AND YES.. As you have figured out..I also do rescue/rehab/adoptions with reptiles as well.

    GEESH...I must have some knowledge and also be doing something correct huh?? lol

    Oh and NOPE.. people like me are the ones that take our time to try and help educate others in the hobby from our past and present experiences..and failures so that others may enjoy what we have so obviously endeared in relation to keeping herps.

    Your temp are wrong that might be what they say, but ask someone who breeds them for a living and not someone who adopts them. I will trust Kevin and Paden.
    I breed em also and I still say that the temps I was refering to are inadequate for keeping a BOA/BCI/Columbian Boa at IMO. I don't know this Paden person that your refering to, BUT I DO know Kevin from NERD quite well and shall ask him what he's up to suggesting such temps on a BOA. I missed meeting up with him this weekend, but I should be able to connect with him sometime this week though to find out np.

    ARe you a friend of Bob Clarks ? If you are I hope you were not affected
    What you seem to "lack" in knowledge is that MANY of us loong time keepers in the herp world know each other, some of us don't though. No matter what though. We respect each other and carry ourselves on public forums with a certain degree of "respect".. No matter who's forum it may be. Whether I am a friend or not of Bob Clark's has no bearing here on this forum at all...therefore...shall remain unanswered.

    NOW.....From an admin/moderator standpoint on THIS forum..Please conduct yourself in your posting with some semblence of respect towards others ..that includes admins/mods/members. TYIA.

    The Boa Constrictor Manual.
    Viper's suggested reading is a great one for anyone thinking of keeping a BOA

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    LORI knows ALOT more than you think.

    I will let the Moderators explain how you are to conduct yourself on forums.

    No hard feelings draco842,

    By the way I have a book on Boas that you might be interested in getting. The authers of the book are: Jeff Ronne, Philippe de Vosjoli, and Roger Klingenberg. All of which are experts.

    The name of the book is: The Boa Constrictor Manual.
    It has alot of great info that comes in handy. It talks about several diseases and illnesses, heating, enclosure setup, feeding, breeding info, ect. It also talks about that dreaded IBD illness.  IBD stand for Inclusion Body Disease.

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  • bioclaire
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    *shrugs* My two boa constrictors HATE anything above 84 degrees.

    But that really doesn't matter.

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  • bioclaire
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    As far as you dumping one snake for a new one goes, snakes are not trading cards draco842. So you better make sure that when you get the Boa that you are going to keep it. And DON'T  make dumping one snake for a new one a habit.

    As far as cage size, temp, humidity goes:
    an Adult Boa needs a minimum enclosure size of 4feet long by 2feet wide by 2feet high. They need a background temp of 80-85 degrees F,and a hot spot of 90-95 degrees F.
    The humidity should be 60-70%
    Hahaha, I had that same "trading card" thought earlier while thinking about this issue on the way home from college....

    For the record, an enclosure of that size costs anywhere from $200 up. Boas and other large snakes are going to end up being the most expensive animal.

    and yeah... You'll be fine with that common boa until you see a gorgeous Suriname boa, or the Amarlis.... Or better yet the albino or snow boas!! It's really sad, but I look at my two boas, look at others, such as the ones I mention and I think "Wow. I've two of the most ugliest boa constrictors out there." But, I love them to death and I wouldn't trade them for ANY other snake out there.

    I am actually adopting two snakes next week from someone else who is bored of his animals and wants something "more interesting." and I know LORI has plenty of adoption horror stories.....

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    expecially when you have no idea about what you are talking about. People like you are the ones who drive people away from this hobby. ARe you a friend of Bob Clarks ?  If you are I hope you were not affected.  
    First of all LORI is a Global Moderator, which means she knows alot about Reptiles. LORI knows what she is talking about.

    Second lets talk about that Bob Clark forum. You went on Bobs site and  acted immature, and childish.  Sending insulting emails was stupid and immature. But did it stop there...of course not.  You went and threatened to tell Bob and Dr Owen, only when you did they agreed with Jeff and the others so you went on this forum with the stupid immature post labeled: Warning Bob Clark, and Warning about Bob Clark*****. Which incase you haven't notice have been deleted.

    There are right ways and wrong ways to conduct yourself on forums. And insulting people especially moderators who know ALOT about reptiles and other people who are expierenced the field of Herps won't get you anywere but kicked off the forum.

    As far as cage size, temp, humidity goes:
    an Adult Boa needs a minimum enclosure size of 4feet long by 2feet wide by 2feet high. They need a background temp of 80-85 degrees F,and a hot spot of 90-95 degrees F.
    The humidity should be 50-60%

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  • LORI
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    Not just becuse it is just a lil' skinny for you.. There is alot of snakes in bad homes/rescues because of just this type of thing...
    I have to agree 100% on this one. Doing rescue/rehab myself here. We tend to see quite a lot of this going on even. arghhh

    REPTILES ARE NOT A DISPOSABLE PET !!

    IF PROPER research was done PRIOR to obtaining a reptile, then it would alleviate MANY reptiles that wind up in rescue from coming across the paths of MANY of us rescuers..for one thing.

    I wnat a cool temp of 82 and warmer of 90.
    PLEASE research what the temps are for a BOA more in depth prior to obtaining one. these temps you have stated are NOT what is generally reccomended for keeping BCI BOAS in at all by a lot of experienced keepers.

    I have enough money to buy everything I need for a columbian
    I don't know where your getting your info from, BUT from my experience with BOTH the BCI and the GUYANA BOAS.. The relative cost in maintaining them is correlative. It is the cost relative to obtaining one vs the other that is not.

    I have always loved one of his guyanas witch is the reason I always wanted one
    my mom has a 2 snake rule.
    taking the two above quotes from you and applying them in reference to your obtaining a new snake ie BCI BOA for some reason just leads me to think that the time will come when you "have lost interest in the BCI/colombian BOA" and then yet again..There will be another snake that needs a new home to make room for the "current" snake that you "want" in your collection. IMO..This is NOT a responsible thing to be doing at all. keeping reptiles requires a "level of responsibility" that should be attained PRIOR to obtaining any.

    I am also not really settling for the columbian because after the first week I am not going to care what he looks like, but I will care about his temperament and his care.
    REALLY?? ... Perhaps you SHOULD care what the snake looks like. I know I for one freak when something doesn't look right with any under my control or in my collection. I always thought that was the correct thing to be doing.

    Sometimes things come to those of us who wait for the right time. Wouldn't it be a better thing to be doing to continue to provide the neccassary care etc for the carpte rather than just "scooting" it out the door in order to replace it with something else.. ?? Remember.. these are living creatures that your dealing with here.

    I do have 1 question for you though...
    How old are you actually ?

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  • draco842
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    Well I agree with you, but I know a person. Well his name is Paden. He was the one who got me into Boas and he has been dieing for it since I bought it the main reason I am going to give it to him. The other was an excuse for my parents there telling me I am losing money on the deal. I am not losing money and he will recieve a better home then can give him. Paden breeds snakes and has alot more funding then I do. I have always loved one of his guyanas witch is the reason I always wanted one. I am also not really settling for the columbian because after the first week I am not going to care what he looks like, but I will care about his temperament and his care. I have enough money to buy everything I need for a columbian. I will be buying a 20 gal breeder and wait till summer for the Boaphile. It is my fault my info I gave yall was off by about 20 or so yards. hope yall keep checking

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  • bioclaire
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    I agree with Red SO many times over.

    Its just cruel. Imagine if a mother had a son, got bored of him, so just sold him so she could have a girl?!

    My mother hates snakes. Like, she'll turn on and off their lamps for me and thats IT. She however, knows that I adore them more than anything, and allows me to have them. I have 7 at the moment, and am working up my 10th. *shrugs* But I'm babbling, for this really isn't going to make any difference. :-X

    Last comment: Irian Jaya Jungle Carpets are so pretty! >(

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  • king_ding_a_ling
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    I most definately agree.Dont ever get ridof your snake for a new one.I belive Karma is a mother s5.gif b17.gif....

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  • Red
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    I'll throw you a bone but you probley won't like it...  It has to do with people buying snakes and selling them for another one....  They way I see it is when you buy a snake you keep it...  enless there is real reason to get red of it....  Not just becuse it is just a lil' skinny for you.. There is alot of snakes in bad homes/rescues because of just this type of thing... I can see breeders do this but that is because of the need for fresh blood lines... I think that you should just wait for a couple of years and get one when you move out on your own... My mom had a no snake rule... so when I was 17 I moved out and got a snake.... it was not that hard to wait...
    Also you said that you can not afford the snake you want why don't you just save for a lil' while to get it... You are paying like $400-600 for that cage and setup. That is alot of money.. you will enjoy the snake that you want alot more then one that is kinda the same... I worry that if you get a colmbian that you would just sell it in a lil' while because the ball was your first and you want another snake...  
    Eric aka...Red

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  • Josh
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    Everything looks good to me. I guess the next step will be to purchase you cage and the snake.

    My only advice is to be carefull where you buy your snake from. Thats going to be a good chunk of money that you will have tied up in your cage so be shure to get a pretty and healthy boa.


    -Josh

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