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  • #16
    Re: Snakes in the news....AGAIN

    Originally posted by Noelle7206 View Post
    I love pets of all kinds...but they belong in homes, never roaming. Cats are charming pets, when KEPT as pets
    Yes. And house cats should remain house cats. Outdoor house cats can kill up to 10 native animals a week for fun. We only get to see the ones they bring home.

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    • #17
      Re: Snakes in the news....AGAIN

      Originally posted by acephantom903 View Post
      Yes. And house cats should remain house cats. Outdoor house cats can kill up to 10 native animals a week for fun. We only get to see the ones they bring home.
      When they've put mini-cams on pet cats that went out to roam, they were quite surprised at the destruction...I think 10 per week is a very low estimate anyway, based on the research I've read & watched, plus
      it depends on whether the cat is fed "at home" or actually hunting for food. "Pets" just maim or kill & leave, while the ferals kill & eat. It's true that only a fraction of their killing is brought home for 'show'...but
      that sure doesn't change the destruction, it just makes their owners less willing to take responsibility.

      Wildlife already has more than enough to contend with, including natural predators, habitat loss and toxic pollution, poaching, climate change etc, without having to survive the ever-increasing onslaught of loose
      domestic cats. We need to pressure our local animal control personnel & community leaders including health departments and Game & Fish...emphasize the health hazards* to humans spread by cats. Doesn't hurt
      to search, print out & have on hand some of the articles in print about this, otherwise they take the easy road & try to keep looking the other way, since they are afraid to offend the many people who keep cats
      & allow roaming.

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      • #18
        Re: Snakes in the news....AGAIN

        Originally posted by Noelle7206 View Post
        to all roaming cats, whether 'pets' or feral
        Yup. Cats are, BY FAR more destructive as feral pests than snakes. Not as destructive as mice/rats, but right up there. Which is a little ironic.


        -Sean in NoCal
        “Americanism means the virtues of courage, honor, justice, truth, sincerity, and hardihood – the virtues that made America.”
        -Teddy Roosevelt.

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        • #19
          Re: Snakes in the news....AGAIN

          Another thing is that the pythons add to the food chain as baby pythons are food for everything which eats snakes in south florida. Adult pythons which are rare to find are not food for anything except when dead.

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          • #20
            Re: Snakes in the news....AGAIN

            Originally posted by acephantom903 View Post
            Another thing is that the pythons add to the food chain as baby pythons are food for everything which eats snakes in south florida. Adult pythons which are rare to find are not food for anything except when dead.
            True. But the native wildlife did not evolve along with the pythons. They have no defense against them when they grow. Once that snake reached 10 feet or so, there's literally nothing in S. Florida that can take one down, except us. Sure, only one in 100 babies born survives to adulthood. But that's still one more python that doesn't belong there.


            -Sean in NoCal
            “Americanism means the virtues of courage, honor, justice, truth, sincerity, and hardihood – the virtues that made America.”
            -Teddy Roosevelt.

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            • #21
              Re: Snakes in the news....AGAIN

              Originally posted by Pandorasdad View Post
              True. But the native wildlife did not evolve along with the pythons. They have no defense against them when they grow. Once that snake reached 10 feet or so, there's literally nothing in S. Florida that can take one down, except us. Sure, only one in 100 babies born survives to adulthood. But that's still one more python that doesn't belong there.
              And not only that but the abnormal abundance of small pythons as a food source for certain predators of small snakes then may put those predators out of balance as well. Ecosystems are delicately interwoven
              species....when you add or subtract just one, the effects may be much wider than you'd expect, & literally devastating in the long run. It's very hard to predict, but by now we know that (historically) when animals
              have been released with a specific goal in mind, the effect NEVER stops there, and the consequence is usually more negative than positive. "Oops!"

              That's why we now have regulations against the release of non-native species...we've learned the hard way. Sadly, when it comes to cats running loose everywhere, most people have a blind-spot that originated
              many years ago when many more of us lived in rural areas and used cats to keep barns & grain storage on our farms free of rodents. (while ignoring nature that provided snakes for that purpose-) Our society hasn't
              yet caught up with how much our country has changed, nor gotten over it's irrational hysteria over snakes, no matter if harmless & venomous, and most people STILL refuse to acknowledge that their pet cats do
              NOT belong roaming outside.

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              • #22
                Re: Snakes in the news....AGAIN

                Originally posted by Pandorasdad View Post
                Once that snake reached 10 feet or so, there's literally nothing in S. Florida that can take one down, except us
                I'd say any burmese over 6 foot is out of local predator range as they are heavier than most snakes in florida. There haven't been many found over 10 feet in the everglades. Average "adult" size found is 7.7'. Largest was 17.3' if I recall correctly which sounds suspiciously large but possible. Largest recently confirmed was at the last python challenge at 15.5'(?) which was a big girl and more believable since it isn't at the edge of a world record.

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                • #23
                  Re: Snakes in the news....AGAIN

                  Originally posted by acephantom903 View Post
                  I'd say any burmese over 6 foot is out of local predator range as they are heavier than most snakes in florida.
                  An adult gator couldn't take a six foot Burmese?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Snakes in the news....AGAIN

                    Originally posted by bcr_229 View Post
                    An adult gator couldn't take a six foot Burmese?
                    Could they kill one? yes. They wouldn't view it as food if it were alive. Gators are not predators to large medium size animals or large animals. Gators prey on small animals and fish and birds and will eat anything which is dead. They keep the swamps clean of dead creatures.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Snakes in the news....AGAIN

                      Originally posted by bcr_229 View Post
                      An adult gator couldn't take a six foot Burmese?
                      Maybe a very large one. But burms are more of a danger to the alligators than the other way around. Gators grow slow. A juvenile gator is definitely on a big burm's menu.


                      -Sean in NoCal
                      “Americanism means the virtues of courage, honor, justice, truth, sincerity, and hardihood – the virtues that made America.”
                      -Teddy Roosevelt.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Snakes in the news....AGAIN

                        Originally posted by acephantom903 View Post
                        .... They wouldn't view it as food if it were alive....
                        I think they would, if the gator had the size advantage, & I'm not at all sure they'd be any more logical than snakes are when it comes to size, but I've never lived with any gators.
                        Since when are they picky eaters? But anyway, non-native pythons still don't belong in FL, whether or not they get eaten or eat others.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Snakes in the news....AGAIN

                          Originally posted by Noelle7206 View Post
                          Since when are they picky eaters?
                          Gators don't usually pick on anything they think might put up a fight. If they have to fight, they might get injured and they figure it isn't worth it. Most animals will avoid a fight unless it is absolutely necessary. Gators know that they don't need much food to survive. Most adults can get by with 10 pounds of food a year as they don't need to grow any more. They will gladly take more but will usually avoid fighting for it. The only exceptions are when humans feed gators. The gator gets an easy meal and expect all humans to give food so they will behave aggressively to get that food. Something that the few of us posting right now know that other readers might not know is that gators have issues breaking off chunks of food that they cannot outright swallow. Many times if it has recently died and is still fresh, they will drag it to the bottom of the water and pin it under branches to hold it down and wait a few days for it to break down/soften and then they will tear it apart to eat. Gators are highly intelligent creatures which should be respected as the living dinos they are. Gators are not crocodiles which are better suited for hunting larger prey.

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